CupCate

Why you're not going to change my mind, or my vote

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I wonder how many people dont like hilary because of who she's married to, not because of her political views.

If nothing else I think bill will make a great first lady.

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The thing about this post that I respect most is not that you've decided to vote for Hillary Clinton, but that you've done some actual research into the candidates and the issues and made an educated decision about who you really want to be in office. If everyone in the U.S. actually made this kind of effort, I think we'd be having a lot of different conversations and see a lot of different outcomes in our electoral activities.
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You couldn't advise me on how to vote in the upcoming mayoral election, could you? ;)

I like how you've described what's in effect your catharsis of believing one thing and gradually coming round to believing another, including the process of growing up from what you believed at 16. What you've written reminds me of the way I felt after fully believing in the Kosovo war intervention and then feeling betrayed when I heard that depleted uranium weaponry had been used which suddenly made it far less humanitarian, far less ethical, and far less right. I believed in intervention to stop humanitarian emergencies - and if another arises I will remain torn, since clearly in Kosovo something had to be done, and in the case of Rwanda we all sat by and watched (like with Darfur now). I just don't trust our leaders to wage the kinds of wars that they should, but instead to betray those that they help with their methods, incapability, and unjustifiable choice of weaponry.

Oh dear, I've ranted. But anyway, they're my thoughts.
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Have you heard of Ron Paul? He's a republican candidate, but the only one who conforms to the ORIGINAL republican platform. You may find that you agree with him on a lot of issues -- about the war in Iraq, gay marriage, foreign policy, etc etc.

http://www.cfr.org/bios/13303/ron_paul.html
http://ronpaul2008.com

I guess you could say he's a bit of an underdog right now, but he's raised a lot of funds outside of "usual" -- i.e. mega corporations and super wealthy families. He's set a lot of records in that... and appeals to a lot of people our age -- a lot of republicans (true republicans), independents and even Democrats.

I'm not here to change your mind, but I do think he's worth looking into!
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I'm really torn between Hilary and Obama, but I really like what you've written here and how you got to your decision. That's how it should be, so right freaking on.
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I'm leaning toward her right now as well. I definitely think the world could use a few more females in charge.
I'm voting Monica
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Great post Cupcate and though we may vote differently I agree with Ross that it is your argument for why you will vote for her that is so damn respectable. You have to go with what you Feel and now how we are Expected to Feel. I wouldn't vote for Condi either (and I'm not racist either). In the same vein, I'm not voting Barack because he's black (although I think a lot of people feel that is why most blacks will vote for him). I'm voting for him for the same reason you're voting for Hilary..because when he speaks I "get goosebumps" and excited. It will be an interesting race that's for sure. And either way the tide turns, it will be better than our current situation.
I also agree with Ross and Ms Genevieve. It's about time people start doing some research into who they vote for rather than listening to populous groups. Good for you. You're young and inspired, and that makes me hopeful.
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You have summarized my own political history--from the upbringing, to the registered Republican --> Unaffiliated. We're even the same age, and I remember all of the events you detailed in your post. I take great comfort in the fact that I am not the only person to have this change of conviction; I used to feel like a 'fake' because I was no longer a staunch Red State warrior. This is a very powerful post, and I couldn't agree with you more!
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Miss Cate,

I only just finished my own election post a moment ago--something very different in tone than yours--and turned, as usual, to seeing what was up in my neighborhood. Thank you for your words. I'm not saying that I've suddenly seen the light. I'm still disenchanted...hell, it's only been ten minutes...but when I say I want to be passionate about a candidate, what I mean is I want to feel what you must feel to have written such a personal and practical tale of political evolution.

And you have made me stop and think...my only problem with Hillary isn't that she's married to Bill or that she stayed with him, but rather that she would be yet another legacy President, "the wife of". The thing is though, if she and Bill had been running against eachother, I'd have voted for her first. And when it comes down to it, that's a small reason--especially when weighed against all you say and I agree with--not to vote for her.

Maybe I won't need a coin toss after all...

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Thanks for linking to this - in the midst of everything I missed it. Anyhow, it is funny how two reasonable people who believe in similar things can feel the exact opposite for candidates. I feel the way about Obama that you feel about Clinton. Perhaps it is the words that are chosen, or the issues spoken to, that sets one's heart on fire. All I can say is that I am relieved that we have candidates that people are passionate about this go around. Kerry certainly didn't do it for much of anyone.

What I find really interesting is how Americans register their "allegiance" when the register to vote. In Australia, voting is compulsory, so there is no option to declare your allegiance. I'd be interested to know how it affects the way politicians campaign - safe seats and marginal seats are determined according to the last election, and poll numbers, but I wonder if maybe it makes politicians a little less lazy if they don't have a list of people who have declared themselves one way or the other. Having said that, I've come across a few Vox-ers who have voted differently to how they are registered...

I obviously don't get to vote in the US election, and am also torn between Obama and Hillary, but in my heart of hearts, I really want Hill to get the nomination. I feel that any woman who is strong enough to survive the turbulent political career of her husband, and then go on to launch a high profile political career of her own (outside of First Lady, that is) has got serious balls.

Although I am not an American I agree that Hillary is the right person for the job Obama although good is not ready for the possibility of being the president. To a degree Hillary has been there and kinda done it and she knows what to expect and to be honest I think she would Kick Ass

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I know you know my stance as I've put it out there a few times, and I know if Hillary gets the final nod, she will get my vote. I will say though, think it's important to look into all the candidates with the same fervor, their records, their history, their choices and their current approaches before making any opinion. I won't vote for Hillary because she's a woman any more than I am voting for Obama because he's black. No matter how you slice it, in my opinion, that's dangerous and limiting - especially with a nation in crisis as we are. Perhaps I'm not black enough, perhaps I'm not woman enough. I just want the person CAPABLE enough to get us where we need to go. And for my homework, that's Obama.

No matter which way you, or anyone else goes, I am just thrilled to see people waking up, doing some (maybe not all they should, but some) homework and decided to make a passionate choice.

Great post, Cate.
Great post, and well thought through. I'm glad that you were finally able to see through Bush's bullshit and stop being one of the millions who he hoodwinked in to lining up behind him.

I love Bill Clinton and I will defend to the death, as best I can, that he was the best President who held office in my lifetime. That said, there were two things he signed during his terms that are very important factors for me: The Defense of Marriage Act, and The Digital Millenium Copyright Act.

Now, say what you will about what was going on at the time, pressures, political angling, and whatnot, but here we are ten years later and the effects of those acts are still very far reaching and oppressive. I can't look past that, and that's the root of why I've chosen Obama.

The two are actually very similar in their positions and voting records. The difference, to me, is that Hillary seems to me like she'd be a case of "more of the same". More sleazy politics. More mutual back-scratching. More secrets. More lies. It's not a Democrat thing, and it's not a Republican thing. It's a politician thing. Hillary and Bill are career politicians and they play the game as well as anyone. I'm personally sick of politicians. I want someone who sucks at being a dirty politician. I want someone who's going to find a better way because they don't roll the way everyone else has for the last hundred years. I want, for once, to watch the State of the Union and not think, "Yeah... that's nice, but what AREN'T you telling us?"

I know you're not going to change your mind, and I truly respect that and wouldn't ask that you do. I'm just sayin'... I trust Obama.
omfg i can't believe someone posted about ron paul on your comments. are you serious?
ok wait, are you serious here? ron paul? srsly? he is against "redefining" marriage, he supported DOMA, and tons of other things that basically reduced gay marriage to something states have to deal with on an individual level, thereby securing that someone who gets married in hawaii won't be recognized as married in alabama.

there is nothing more annoying to me in this election than ron paul supporters. give up already.
Excuse me, was my comment rude? I don't expect everyone to share my political beliefs, nor do I FORCE anyone, I was merely trying to be helpful.

As for the Gay Marriage issue, I do believe a compromise, AT LEAST, should be reached, I don't pretend to know the best way to do that. Small, local governments is not a bad thing, that is what our country was founded on.

I thought about writing a huge response and go more in depth here, but something tells me you wouldn't appreciate it anyway. But I will say this: I will not give up fighting for what I believe in... and I would say the same to you.
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Hill's getting my vote as well.

Since it looks pretty unlikely Clinton will get the nomination, will you support Obama instead of McCain?

I s'pose since you read my blog a few times you know I'm an Obama supporter.

I do feel compelled to say Obama's about as pro-gay as any contending presidential candidate can get -- he walked into MLK's church in the South (on MLK day), and admonished the Church for acting in an un-Christianlike way towards gays. And got applause, because he's a badass like that.
I'm not giving up hope yet, and neither are any other Clinton supporters! :)

If it were between McCain and Obama of course I would vote for him. It's not that I hate Obama, it's just when it's between him and Clinton, Clinton is the clear choice for me.

However, that being said, it doesn't really matter who was running against John McCain because I'd vote for them just to keep McCain out.

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