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This is a really good post. I appreciate the way you really look at all sides of the issue. And while I'm pro-choice, I couldn't agree more that the goal is zero abortions, and that can be achieved through better education and access to contraception. We wouldn't have so much strife and divisiveness over the issue if we would work together to effectively reduce unexpected pregnancies. Thanks for a thought-provoking post.
I'm impressed that McCain is an adoptive parent. I wish more people who were so forthright in their opposition to abortion would show their commitment by caring for adoptive or foster children.
I'm about as pro-choice and they come and while I'd LIKE for the number of abortions in this country to be "0" I know that is not humanly possible. So does Hillary, it just sounds good in a speech, which actually proves your point - she is catering to some in our party knowing full well that the position is, while ideally wonderful, moot. Abortions have been around since the beginning of time for a reason. Sometimes they are a necessity. My mother had an abortion to save her life and I'm sure as hell glad she did - I'd probably have no more mom!

As far as who we listen to in my party. Well, we listen to doctors, not radical pro-choicers such as myself....we have made it clear that yes, the right to an abortion should be held for the first two trimesters because we do not have the right to say that one woman can have it because she was raped while another who is very poor and wouldn't be able to care for the child cannot. And giving up for adoption isn't that easy for a lot of folks - I don't know if I could do it, even with incentives offered to me. And we believe that any procedure done after that point should be done only to save the life of the mother or to give her the option of preventing a birth to a severely disfigured baby that will suffer once born and likely traumatize the parents. In fact, with one exception of a 12 year old girl years ago, these are the only times doctors have EVER performed that procedure. I actually knew of a woman who had one, she was the wife of a guy that use to work in my office. They had no choice but to go through with it. The birth would have been horrendously painful physically and emotionally. The radical pro-lifers would have you thinking differently. Their position is truly radical because it isn't based on medical facts or common sense. They seem to think that women will just waltz on in to a doctor late in their pregancy with a perfectly healthy fetus and say "I don't want this anymore, kill it." WHO would do that? And what doctor would abide that? it doesn't make sense. Sometimes I think I have more faith in humanity than people with a lot of religion in their lives - but not you ;)

I don't mean any offense because I respect your position. I just think that restricting any abortions, especially medically necessary abortions (ie late terms) would lead to a negative impact on our society and that the number would certainly NEVER be "0" then.

O wholeheartedly agree that the number will never BE "0" but the idea that a Democrat said that was a goal was enough to make some in the party gasp and shout "hairy tick!" And if it was a cheap trick to get the Republicans to smile and shake her hand, well... it's Hillary and the Republicans... that seems... uh... unlikely!

I think that the best pro-life stance is one that takes into consideration the life of the unborn AND THE MOTHER. Losing one to save the other doesn't seem like much of an option to me.

I don't usually chime in, but I agree about Hillary :)
That's fair but losing both lives doesn't sound like much of an option to me, either. Which is usually the case, actually. And like I said, my mother made a selfless decision when she had her abortion. She knew that if she left this world it would have been detrimental to my father and me - people who already existed.

I don't think that Hill was pandering to republicans or democrats but to people who are fundamentally pro-life but believe in preventing these things from happening by supporting sex education, birth control, etc. But no one is more powerful than mother nature or God, however you choose to see it, and it is a fact that most women miscarriage because there is something genetically wrong with the baby early on and in the instances where the pregnancy is effected by genetic mutations later in development and start to cause infections, modern humans figured out gazillions of years ago that we can have a clean slate by terminating the pregnancy and allowing the woman to have another chance to get pregnant. If I believed in God, I would think that this was his/her idea because its a brilliant way to preserve life - not destroy it.
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"I find it disingenuous that the Republican Party speaks strongly against abortion and yet did nothing about it at the point when they controlled both houses and the white house for six years."

I am pro-life, but the above is why I don't pick a candidate passed on if he is pro-life or not.
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