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            <title>Ah, McCain, what a pain...</title>
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                                                .&amp;#160;Rundle08: God&amp;#39;s hand in McCain&amp;#39;s stormy weather&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h5&gt;
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                                        &lt;em&gt;Guy Rundle writes from Corpus Christi, Texas:&lt;/em&gt;
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                                        &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Down
on the waterfront,&amp;#160;80 km/h&amp;#160;winds are whipping the palms. The storm, the
outer edge of Hurricane Dolly, rages for an hour and then abates as one
arm of the conflagration sweeps past, with another following an hour
later. Further south, on the border, Port Isobel and Brownsville are
getting hit by the full force level two centre of the thing. It&amp;#39;s no
Katrina&amp;#160;-- at Port Isobel, the surfers have already returned to the
waves -- but it&amp;#39;s pulling metal off the roofs, and throwing trash down
the street. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Your
correspondent, hearing that the weather might get interesting, either
north or south, flipped a coin, jumped on a bus north, as Dolly headed
south. So to speak. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Bad
luck, but it doesn&amp;#39;t compare to the impact Dolly has had on John
McCain. Looking for an opportunity to sharpen the difference between
Grandpa and Young Jesus Obama on the issue of offshore drilling, team
McCain had lined up a visit to an oil-rig. Great visuals, metal
everywhere, grimy workers, everyone covered in the black stuff. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Trouble
was, the visit had been arranged for this week, and the rig was off the
coast of Louisiana. As the US Navy and Air Force moved destroyers and
planes out of the Gulf&amp;#160;-- an aircraft carrier is still bobbing in
Corpus Christi harbour&amp;#160;-- and the whole oil industry shut down, it
became clear that the proposed visit had turned into another disaster.
Why? Well, the principal objection to offshore drilling, and one
currently pooh-poohed by the pro-drilling crowd, has been the risk of a
coastal environmental disaster from a ... hurricane. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Poor
old John. The bloke can&amp;#39;t take a trick at the moment. But worse, the
political bad weather seems to be affecting the judgment of both McCain
himself and his staff. The most visible sign of desperation has been
the usual one&amp;#160;-- the campaign is starting to attack the press. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Hot
on the heels of a statement assailing the media for being &amp;quot;in love
with&amp;quot; Obama, team Mac issued joke press passes to its beleaguered
corps, nominating them as the &amp;quot;JV squad&amp;quot;&amp;#160;-- the reserves. On the
obverse side, the same card was rendered in French, with a pic of a
stock Frenchman, a reference to ...well God knows exactly what, but a
lot of time and energy that could have been best placed elsewhere went
into it. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
&amp;quot;blame the press&amp;quot; shtick looks even worse than usual, because it was
McCain that goaded Obama into taking the Iraq trip in the first place,
and his media courtiers who then talked up the possibility that Obama
would fall apart, and get jammed up on his alleged errors in Iraq
policy. The press would have gone along en masse in any case, but the
thing was so hyped that it made it look like McCain had wanted them to.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;The
whole fuss generated a classic remark from former Bush speechwriter
David (&amp;quot;Axis of Evil&amp;quot;) Frum: &amp;quot;I don&amp;#39;t know why everyone says Obama is
so fascinating, John McCain&amp;#39;s a historic figure, he&amp;#39;s the oldest
candidate for President ever&amp;quot; which is a lay down misere for the most
ridiculous comment ever. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;McCain
has most of the evangelical vote, but if you were a believer in an
interventionist God, you would have to be wondering whether Obama isn&amp;#39;t
receiving the gift of providence, a candidate ordained to deliver the
US from the failure of its decadent ruling class. By this theory, the
wildly improbable rise of a half-Kenyan raised in Indonesia to the
highest office in the land could only come because God thinks that the
only person who can save the country is someone who is essentially
outside of it, and not bound by its suffocatingly neurotic self-regard,
and endless self-reassurance. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;But
God realises that we are slow on the uptake, and that he can&amp;#39;t afford
to be subtle&amp;#160;-- so while the providential candidate VISITS JERUSALEM,
GOD DESTROYS HIS OPPONENT&amp;#39;S CAMPAIGN SCHEDULE WITH A HURRICANE. If
you&amp;#39;ve got a better explanation for this week past, I&amp;#39;d be happy to
hear it. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Meanwhile
the storm is whipping through the beachfront towers of Corpus Christi,
body of Christ. Something I never knew happened: the wind carried sound
for miles and six floors up, I can hear conversations on the street,
and music from a bar half a mile away. Fragmentary, coming and going
and fighting the furious static of fast air, it is as if the whole city
is talking to itself, and listening. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://redirect.cmailer.com.au/LinkRedirector.aspx?clid=e0a7aac5-5eec-452e-8b83-ae9b77cf338a&amp;amp;rid=6851c6fb-0f8d-41df-8aca-f74d3f497f9f&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.crikey.com.au/Media/images/080612-US-MEDIA-WRAP2-476137a1-dbe5-44ac-8232-c7149626c899.jpg&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;font-size: 14px; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;McCain falters on foreign policy and Obama and McCain&amp;#39;s Iraq strategy... &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Get a taste of the best commentary on the subject from the US Media Wrap &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://redirect.cmailer.com.au/LinkRedirector.aspx?clid=6c9fe738-0cce-44c3-83f9-3e2a6b02fd3e&amp;amp;rid=6851c6fb-0f8d-41df-8aca-f74d3f497f9f&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;here&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt;

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            <title>pass me that bale of straw trigger</title>
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            <description>    &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;not exactly clogging up the roads, as yet, but you know, we people (you know eeerrr,,, humans) always innovate in our own way... as fuel runs out and becomes outrageously expensive (not of course because we are running out on the planet, but because Oil companies and energy suppliers are getting greedier and greedier and they are allowed to do it).. so put on another jumper (so says the boss of Centrica) &amp;quot;thanks gitto&amp;quot; - do you think he&amp;#39;ll be wearing 2 jumpers ??! we&amp;#39;ll all be out in the forests, stealing wood, trying to make ends meet till you die (thanks The Verve),, horses &amp;amp; carts will be back, it just about has to be the most environmentally friendly way to get around, they eat grass, and let you run around on them... and they&amp;#39;re a good deal faster than the 20 mph Golf Cart buggies that they are taxing and allowing on the Roads in the USA, where some people are having a go at beating the fuel problem... has anyone head of horses there ?? even the Police are using them, although I don&amp;#39;t think they&amp;#39;ll be any fast &amp;#39;getaways&amp;#39; in them, and they might have to think about the safety of an open-cart buggy on the roads... the picture tickled me though... seems like you could walk faster, or even cycle (you know its one of those recent new fangled inventions, 2 wheels - unbelievable what they can do these days) and it would keep you fitter, unless you&amp;#39;re incapacitated, then you would be in a wheelchair anyway,, can they go on roads ?? not sure... here&amp;#39;s the pici and the story.. I liked it anyway&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/18/usa.energyefficiency?gusrc=rss&amp;amp;feed=worldnews&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/18/usa.energyefficiency?gusrc=rss&amp;amp;feed=worldnews&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt;

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            <title>CRIPES</title>
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            <description>    &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;its a strange thing the Mercury Music Prize, because, where does the Mercury bit come in, is it something to do with the periodical table, or the Mercurial delights of the nominees,,, well , what can you say about the nominees, you wonder where these people choosing this stuff get off... Robert Plant ??!! an album so dismal and lacking in any musical merit, its unlistenable dirge washes over you as you imagine the old rocker in some room with Alison Krauss, yuckeroo,,, and Radiohead, its hardly their best work, Adele ??!! c&amp;#39;mon , your having a laugh aren&amp;#39;t you ?? the thing about it is that they obviously keep on picking bands who almost immediately fade into obscurity,, so they have had to pick a few recognisable ones this year to give the thing some credibility, as its already a laughing stock... but the albums have to be a bit &amp;#39;lefty&amp;#39; of field, otherwise why not have done with it and choose Sugarbabes and Take That.. we&amp;#39;ll see how long we have to put up with Adele for, another album packed full of nostalgia for those kiddies who have never heard any soul music before.. cripes...&amp;#160; if it was any good or any use to anyone apart from the huge major labels pushing the &amp;#39;same-old-same-old&amp;#39; you would have a large number of unknowns, Blues bands, Indie Acts, R&amp;amp;B artists, (Estelle is good live but its a very boring album),,&amp;#160; , country, rappers, where are all the successful Asian&amp;#160;UK Asian acts ???!!!&amp;#160;c&amp;#39;mon, Robert Plant??, the album is ******&amp;#39; tripe.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;
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            <title>McCain finally gets somes space. He probably wishes now he didn&#39;t.</title>
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            <description>    &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alternet.org/blogs/waroniraq/92274/&quot;&gt;http://www.alternet.org/blogs/waroniraq/92274/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.5625em;&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;margin-left: 10px;&quot;&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;storyheadline&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 1.5625em;&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;New York Times Spares McCain Embarrassment By Rejecting Op-Ed&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;strong&gt;Posted by  
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/linkins/?ses=6554c71e7e52488d13d961aec4f04e64&quot; title=&quot;View all stories by Jason Linkins&quot;&gt;Jason Linkins&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/&quot;&gt;Huffington Post&lt;/a&gt; at  4:03 PM on July 21, 2008.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		NYT didn&amp;#39;t publish McCain&amp;#39;s op-ed, but since &amp;quot;he wants the attention, let&amp;#39;s give it to him.&amp;quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;storycontainer&quot;&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
As anyone who hasn&amp;#39;t been living under a boulder knows by now, John
McCain has always enjoyed an extra-special relationship with the press,
who care for the Presidential nominee as one might nurture an orphaned
lamb, doing him no end of solids. For example, even though Barack Obama
has consistently led in the polls since clinching the Democratic
nomination, we are told that this is Good For McCain, because according
to something written on the Ancient and Illuminated Manuscript of Press
Corps Conventional Wisdom, Obama should be leading by &lt;em&gt;more&lt;/em&gt;,
and his waste should smell like Springtime in Vermont. Also, when
McCain visits Europe, it burnishes his Presidential pedigree, but if
Obama does so, it makes him look un-American.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Now, however, the McCain camp is angry at their special friend, specifically the &lt;em&gt;New York Times&lt;/em&gt;,
because the paper of record spiked an op-ed column that McCain had
prepared in response to a similar offering from Obama. McCain&amp;#39;s
surrogates are flush with outrage over this. But I&amp;#39;ve now read the
piece, and it&amp;#39;s pretty clear to me that the &lt;em&gt;Times&lt;/em&gt;&amp;#39; decision, if anything, is in keeping with the press&amp;#39; traditional friendly relationship. The &lt;em&gt;Times&lt;/em&gt;
put bros before prose, and in so doing, spared McCain no end of
embarrassment, because the op-ed is rivetingly dumb and laden with
inaccuracies. None of which would have come to my attention if the
candidate had done the smart thing and kept his mouth shut! But since
he wants the attention, let&amp;#39;s give it to him.
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&lt;p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;In January 2007, when General David Petraeus took
command in Iraq, he called the situation &amp;quot;hard&amp;quot; but not &amp;quot;hopeless.&amp;quot;
Today, 18 months later, violence has fallen by up to 80% to the lowest
levels in four years, and Sunni and Shiite terrorists are reeling from
a string of defeats. The situation now is full of hope, but
considerable hard work remains to consolidate our fragile gains.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;An
inauspicious beginning! Surely the last thing McCain, as an Iraq War
advocate, needs to be doing right now is pointing out that four years
ago, things were really horrible in Iraq, and after an Olympic season
of Surge and sturm and drang, we&amp;#39;ve only managed to &lt;em&gt;almost get the level of horror back to where it was when it was horrible&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Progress
has been due primarily to an increase in the number of troops and a
change in their strategy. I was an early advocate of the surge at a
time when it had few supporters in Washington. Senator Barack Obama was
an equally vocal opponent. &amp;quot;I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional
troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence there,&amp;quot; he said
on January 10, 2007. &amp;quot;In fact, I think it will do the reverse.&amp;quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;As
all &amp;quot;Surge&amp;quot; proponents tend to do, McCain overlooks a situation that
was unfolding in Baghdad contemporaneously with the &amp;quot;Surge,&amp;quot; namely a &lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/04/03/ware-sectarian-cleansing/&quot;&gt;massive campaign of sectarian cleansing&lt;/a&gt; that expelled people from their homes, hardened neighborhoods, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2008-02/2008-02-27-voa3.cfm?CFID=7253661&amp;amp;CFTOKEN=83002677&quot;&gt;created a massive internal displacement problem&lt;/a&gt;.
Violence dropped as a result of the factions getting what they wanted
-- the people they were killing out of their neighborhoods.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Also,
isn&amp;#39;t it time that McCain stopped getting credit for being an &amp;quot;early
advocate&amp;quot; of the Surge that President Bush was going to implement
anyway? I was an early advocate and a vocal supporter of all of the
Washington Redskins Superbowl victories, but you don&amp;#39;t see me asking
for a ring!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Now Senator Obama has been forced
to acknowledge that &amp;quot;our troops have performed brilliantly in lowering
the level of violence.&amp;quot; But he still denies that any political progress
has resulted.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think that when Obama denies that any political progress has resulted, it&amp;#39;s probably because &lt;em&gt;no political progress has resulted.&lt;/em&gt;
Indeed, the &amp;quot;Surge&amp;quot; was supposed to &amp;quot;create space&amp;quot; for the Iraqi
government to reach a level of functionality. What&amp;#39;s the impediment?
Well, according to a majority of Iraqi legislators, that &amp;quot;space&amp;quot; has
been occupied by &lt;em&gt;the occupation&lt;/em&gt;. They said so in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/05/majority-of-iraqi-legisla_n_105427.html&quot;&gt;the letter they sent to Congress&lt;/a&gt;, attesting to this:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Likewise,
we wish to inform you that the majority of Iraqi representatives
strongly reject any military-security, economic, commercial,
agricultural, investment or political agreement with the United States
that is not linked to clear mechanisms that obligate the occupying
American military forces to fully withdraw from Iraq, in accordance
with a declared timetable and without leaving behind any military
bases, soldiers or hired fighters.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#39;t know...it seems like Obama might be aware of this!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Perhaps
he is unaware that the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad has recently certified
that, as one news article put it, &amp;quot;Iraq has met all but three of 18
original benchmarks set by Congress last year to measure security,
political and economic progress.&amp;quot; Even more heartening has been
progress that&amp;#39;s not measured by the benchmarks. More than 90,000
Iraqis, many of them Sunnis who once fought against the government,
have signed up as Sons of Iraq to fight against the terrorists. Nor do
they measure Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki&amp;#39;s new-found willingness to
crack down on Shiite extremists in Basra and Sadr City -- actions that
have done much to dispel suspicions of sectarianism.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Wow.
That&amp;#39;s a mouthful of nonsense to parse. It&amp;#39;s not the U.S. Embassy in
Iraq who&amp;#39;s made such a claim, it&amp;#39;s &amp;quot;Surge&amp;quot; architect and
editorial-page-welfare recipient Fred Kagan who&amp;#39;s contended that the
Iraq has had benchmark success. This is a claim that CNN Reporter &lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/09/kagan-benchmarks/?sortby=toprated&quot;&gt;Michael Ware has already debunked&lt;/a&gt;. In truth, on benchmarks, it would be more accurate to say &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/01/benchmark.html&quot;&gt;McCain has it precisely backwards&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Also, it&amp;#39;s really unfortunate to see McCain citing the Sunnis here as a sign for the better, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.juancole.com/2008/06/huge-bombing-in-mosul-targets-governor.html&quot;&gt;especially at a time when&lt;/a&gt;
&amp;quot;the Sunni Arab guerrilla movement against the US and the Iraqi
government has regrouped and reorganized, and is effectively lashing
out again.&amp;quot; And al-Maliki&amp;#39;s &amp;quot;willingness&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;crack down&amp;quot; on uprisings
in Barsa and Sadr City is mostly spirit. The flesh, on the other hand,
has been weak. Al-Maliki&amp;#39;s troops were proven unready for prime time,
leaving U.S. forces to once again &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;amp;ct=res&amp;amp;cd=1&amp;amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fwp-dyn%2Fcontent%2Farticle%2F2008%2F03%2F27%2FAR2008032700781.html&amp;amp;ei=VeCESKOKMKHAet2ppZML&amp;amp;usg=AFQjCNFt3a0BOC1K9-8GcNfJw2-OAuE_UQ&amp;amp;sig2=x1yqa4qr6iDYQuIYuhPekA&quot;&gt;take the lead&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; in ending the crisis.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;The
success of the surge has not changed Senator Obama&amp;#39;s determination to
pull out all of our combat troops. All that has changed is his
rationale. In a New York Times op-ed and a speech this week, he offered
his &amp;quot;plan for Iraq&amp;quot; in advance of his first &amp;quot;fact finding&amp;quot; trip to that
country in more than three years. It consisted of the same old proposal
to pull all of our troops out within 16 months. In 2007 he wanted to
withdraw because he thought the war was lost. If we had taken his
advice, it would have been. Now he wants to withdraw because he thinks
Iraqis no longer need our assistance.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You&amp;#39;d think,
of course, that had the military operation been a &amp;quot;success,&amp;quot; that the
rationale for withdrawal would be self-evident. At any rate, Obama&amp;#39;s
&amp;quot;plan for Iraq&amp;quot; pretty overtly stipulates that he wants to withdraw the
troops from Iraq so that we might prevail over the terrorists who
attacked us and who have benefited from Bush and McCain&amp;#39;s policy of
appeasement.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;To make this point, he mangles
the evidence. He makes it sound as if Prime Minister Maliki has
endorsed the Obama timetable, when all he has said is that he would
like a plan for the eventual withdrawal of U.S. troops at some
unspecified point in the future.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Uhm, actually? To
suggest that Obama has &amp;quot;made it sound&amp;quot; like al-Maliki has said
something he didn&amp;#39;t say distorts the fact that al-Maliki has been
clearly and consistently voicing his opinion that we need for a
timetable for withdrawal. And after reports yesterday that he was
walking those statements back, Maliki, as of this very morning, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/21/latest-clarification-al-m_n_114051.html&quot;&gt;endorsed the Obama timetable&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Senator
Obama is also misleading on the Iraqi military&amp;#39;s readiness. The Iraqi
Army will be equipped and trained by the middle of next year, but this
does not, as Senator Obama suggests, mean that they will then be ready
to secure their country without a good deal of help. The Iraqi Air
Force, for one, still lags behind, and no modern army can operate
without air cover. The Iraqis are also still learning how to conduct
planning, logistics, command and control, communications, and other
complicated functions needed to support frontline troops.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Funny
thing. You go to war because you have to stop a terrorist mastermind&amp;#39;s
powerful military from unleashing their awesome arsenal of diabolical
weapons of mass destruction, and you end up staying at war because the
military you defeated is no longer good for anything but a few laughs.
Nothing fails like success, I guess.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;No one
favors a permanent U.S. presence, as Senator Obama charges. A partial
withdrawal has already occurred with the departure of five &amp;quot;surge&amp;quot;
brigades, and more withdrawals can take place as the security situation
improves. As we draw down in Iraq, we can beef up our presence on other
battlefields, such as Afghanistan, without fear of leaving a failed
state behind. I have said that I expect to welcome home most of our
troops from Iraq by the end of my first term in office, in 2013.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You
see, when I read McCain saying things like, &amp;quot;A partial withdrawal has
already occurred with the departure of five &amp;#39;surge&amp;#39; brigades, and more
withdrawals can take place as the security situation improves. As we
draw down in Iraq, we can beef up our presence on other battlefields,
such as Afghanistan, without fear of leaving a failed state behind.&amp;quot; I
think: Yes, that is Barack Obama&amp;#39;s plan.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But McCain&amp;#39;s endorsement
of the Obama Doctrine is bookended by two inane statements. In the
first place, the United States favors a permanent U.S. presence. We
are, at this moment, spending many a taxpayer dollar &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2005/03/enduring_bases_iraq.html&quot;&gt;building &amp;quot;enduring&amp;quot; bases&lt;/a&gt;. One such base, located on the banks of the Tigris, will &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&amp;amp;code=20070124&amp;amp;articleId=4579&quot;&gt;be as large as Vatican City&lt;/a&gt;. If McCain doesn&amp;#39;t know this, then one can hardly take him for the spending hawk he claims to be.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Additionally,
it&amp;#39;s just seems to me that if McCain wants to insist on people not
criticizing him for being dotty, he&amp;#39;s simply going to have to stop
saying things like he&amp;#39;s going to &amp;quot;welcome home most of our troops from
Iraq&amp;quot; one sentence after committing them to &amp;quot;beef[ing] up our presence&amp;quot;
in Afghanistan.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;But I have also said that any
draw-downs must be based on a realistic assessment of conditions on the
ground, not on an artificial timetable crafted for domestic political
reasons. This is the crux of my disagreement with Senator Obama.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Actually,
it&amp;#39;s also the crux of your disagreement with the sovereign government
of Iraq, who back Obama&amp;#39;s call for a timetable. And wouldn&amp;#39;t you call
the sovereign government of Iraq a &amp;quot;condition on the ground?&amp;quot; McCain
once did!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;From 2004:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Question: &amp;quot;What would
or should we do if, in the post-June 30th period, a so-called sovereign
Iraqi government asks us to leave, even if we are unhappy about the
security situation there?&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;McCain:
&amp;quot;Well, if that scenario evolves than I think it&amp;#39;s obvious that we would
have to leave because -- if it was an elected government of Iraq, and
we&amp;#39;ve been asked to leave other places in the world. If it were an
extremist government then I think we would have other challenges, but I
don&amp;#39;t see how we could stay when our whole emphasis and policy has been
based on turning the Iraqi government over to the Iraqi people.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Based on McCain&amp;#39;s recent statements, one can only assume that McCain is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/08/is-mccain-poised-to-refin_n_111455.html&quot;&gt;now flip-flopping on the issue of Iraqi sovereignty&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Senator
Obama has said that he would consult our commanders on the ground and
Iraqi leaders, but he did no such thing before releasing his &amp;quot;plan for
Iraq.&amp;quot; Perhaps that&amp;#39;s because he doesn&amp;#39;t want to hear what they have to
say. During the course of eight visits to Iraq, I have heard many times
from our troops what Major General Jeffrey Hammond, commander of
coalition forces in Baghdad, recently said: that leaving based on a
timetable would be &amp;quot;very dangerous.&amp;quot; &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Well, Obama&amp;#39;s got the Iraqi leaders &lt;em&gt;clamoring&lt;/em&gt; for a timetable now. And as far as our commanders on the ground go, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/22/clinton-closes-out-petrae_n_103142.html&quot;&gt;they&amp;#39;ve made it clear that they serve at the pleasure of the President&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;CLINTON:
And finally, General, if there were a decision by the President, in
your professional estimation, how long would a responsible withdrawal
from Iraq take?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;ODIERNO: Senator, it&amp;#39;s a
very difficult question, and the reason is, is because there are a
number of assumptions and factors that I&amp;#39;d have to understand
first...based on how do we want to leave the environmental issues in
Iraq, what would be the final end-state...what is the effect on the
ground, what is the security issue on the ground. So I don&amp;#39;t think I
can give you an answer now, but, certainly, at the time, if asked...and
we do planning, we do a significant amount of planning to make sure
that an appropriate answer was given, and we would lay out a timeline.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I
think that if you aren&amp;#39;t aware of what &amp;quot;Commander in Chief&amp;quot; means, you
really can&amp;#39;t claim to have crossed the &amp;quot;Commander in Chief threshold.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;The
danger is that extremists supported by Al Qaeda and Iran could stage a
comeback, as they have in the past when we&amp;#39;ve had too few troops in
Iraq. Senator Obama seems to have learned nothing from recent history.
I find it ironic that he is emulating the worst mistake of the Bush
administration by waving the &amp;quot;Mission Accomplished&amp;quot; banner prematurely.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Of course, al Qaeda &lt;em&gt;has&lt;/em&gt;
staged a comeback precisely because we have too many troops in Iraq.
And the surplus of American firepower has done nothing to prevent the
expansion of Iranian influence in the region. This was made clear by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/04/in-congressional-hearings_n_105281.html&quot;&gt;one of the two Iraqi parliamentarians who traveled to the U.S. to offer testimony&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;KHALAF
al-ULAYYAN: And, unfortunately, now Iran is going into Iraq, and this
is under the umbrella of the American occupation of Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Finally, McCain concludes:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;I
am also dismayed that he never talks about winning the war -- only of
ending it. But if we don&amp;#39;t win the war, our enemies will. A triumph for
the terrorists would be a disaster for us. That is something I will not
allow to happen as president. Instead I will continue implementing a
proven counterinsurgency strategy not only in Iraq but also in
Afghanistan with the goal of creating stable, secure, self-sustaining
democratic allies.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Naturally, I&amp;#39;d have to point out
that McCain has, only recently, even suggested that his administration
might get back to the task of winning the war on terror, having first
announced a policy of &lt;em&gt;avoiding&lt;/em&gt; that war for one hundred years.
Only now has McCain put Afghanistan back in his foreign policy profile,
and McCain has no idea where the troops are going to come from to
support his &amp;quot;Surge Part Deux.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In short, there is just not one word of that op-ed that makes a lick of sense. Far from complaining, the McCain camp owes the &lt;em&gt;Times&lt;/em&gt; a little gratitude.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;
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endorsements. The opinions expressed by its writers are their own.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt; 
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    &lt;h1&gt;Boost for Obama over Iraq withdrawal&lt;/h1&gt;
	

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            By Patrick Cockburn&lt;br /&gt;
            &lt;em&gt;Tuesday, 22 July 2008&lt;/em&gt;
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            &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Barack
Obama has paid his first visit to Iraq, just as the Iraqi government
explicitly matched the Democratic presidential candidate&amp;#39;s 16-month
timetable for the removal of American combat troops. &lt;/p&gt;
            
        
            &lt;p&gt;Senator
Obama met Iraq&amp;#39;s Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, in Baghdad yesterday
during his visit, which had become overshadowed by a row over the
proposed pullout. Mr Obama did not raise his plan for withdrawal of US
forces, the government said. But Mr Maliki&amp;#39;s spokesman, Ali al-Dabbagh,
said his government was &amp;quot;hoping that in 2010 combat troops will
withdraw from Iraq&amp;quot;. This time frame is similar to Mr Obama&amp;#39;s. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The
White House was clearly dismayed and embarrassed by an interview given
by Mr Maliki to the German news magazine Der Spiegel in which he
appeared to express agreement with Mr Obama&amp;#39;s withdrawal plans. Mr
Dabbagh later said in a statement distributed by the American military
that Mr Maliki&amp;#39;s words had been &amp;quot;misunderstood and mistranslated&amp;quot;. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Der
Spiegel stood by its version of what Mr Maliki said and said the
translator for the interview was provided by Mr Maliki&amp;#39;s own office and
not by the magazine. In reality, Mr Maliki did say Mr Obama&amp;#39;s 16-month
plan &amp;quot;could be suitable to end the presence of the forces in Iraq&amp;quot;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Differences
over American strategy in Iraq and the number of troops to be kept
there is at the centre of the American presidential campaign. The
Republican candidate, Senator John McCain, has argued that US forces
should stay in Iraq until it has won a victory, although it is not
clear what this victory would entail. He successfully relaunched his
campaign to become the Republican nominee last year by claiming that
the US was succeeding militarily. But it will be difficult for Mr
McCain to denounce Mr Obama&amp;#39;s plan as it is very similar to what the
Iraqi government is demanding. Mr McCain said: &amp;quot;I&amp;#39;m glad that Senator
Obama is going to get a chance for the first time to sit down with
General David Petraeus and understand what the surge was all about and
why it succeeded and why we are winning the war. I hope he will have a
chance to admit that he badly misjudged the situation and he was
wrong.&amp;quot; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The weakness of Mr McCain&amp;#39;s policy is that the fall in
violence is attributable not only to the surge – the sending of US
reinforcements – but to the Mehdi Army militia&amp;#39;s truce ordered by its
leader, Muqtada al-Sadr, and to Iranian support for Mr Maliki. This
makes the political situation in Iraq very unstable. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Mr Obama
is visiting Iraq as part of a congressional delegation, but was not
planning to give press conferences while there. Mr Dabbagh said: &amp;quot;Obama
did not speak about anything which concerns the Iraqi government
because he does not have any official [government] capacity.&amp;quot; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The US is under pressure to send troops withdrawn from Iraq to combat the mounting Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     &lt;p style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt;

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            <description>    &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;sounds like a Rock ‘n’ Roll star doesn’t he... was there someone called Duane Chambers in the MC5 or something ? there’s Duane Allman, was he the one married to Cher ?? a quick lookup on goolies would find that out, but who can be ******’ bothered with all the gooolie s***... Aren’t all athletes pummelling bucket loads of enhancement drugs down their gobs,,, I would , when there’s only a millionth of a second in some races.. its obvious just looking at their superhuman efforts that they are all high on mega body-boosting drugs, whether they be slightly illegal, slightly legal, the fact of the matter being is THEY ARE GETTING AWAY WITH IT, and Duane Chambers got caught.. I don’t know what the British Athletics Association are doing, its obvious he can run twice as fast as anyone else even without any drugs, and they won’t let him in the Olympics... who ******’ cares whether he takes drugs or not, certainly not me... at the Age of 16 I could barely get out of bed in the mornings, let alone commit myself to endless years of getting up at 4 am every day, running for 10 miles, all day long practice, superhuman efforts, they are the superheroes of our times, and all we get is ******* Kylie this, and ******’ Madonna that and those little c**** on Big Brother, let Chambers in, and the rest of them, make it an even playing field by getting rid of doping tests... they are inaccurate, sporadic, badly executed, unscientific, lacking in parity, and clarity... Duane, looksie here, your a hero, I’m on your side.. **** ‘em ... what ******’ makes me laugh, is, that ugly **** model bird, you know, gappy teeth, takes a load of drugs with Pete (I can barely lift a guitar pick) Doherty, wotsername, and she lands a trillion dollar deal with Revlon,,, the Irony is making her stink, but not from Channel, more from poo poo. What they don’t like about Duane Chambers is that he comes across as arrogant, and ofcourse he is black, the BAA being a load of racist b*******, if it was Paula Radcliffe she would have been back in like a shot.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Just got the Warner Herzog box set, I’ll be reveiwing later!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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            <description>    &lt;div id=&quot;ci1c&quot;&gt; By way of disclosure, I am something of a Civil
Liberties fanatic, and am firmly convinced that Obama did the wrong
thing on retroactive immunity and am angry about that. Also, I haven&amp;#39;t
trusted George W. Bush since the first 10 secs I saw him speaking. He
reminded me of the arrogant lying bullies who used to break my bones
when I was a youngster. He set off all my alarms just by the way he
talked and moved.Obama was something like my 4th choice in the
primaries, ahead of Clinton.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, I&amp;#39;m not an apologist for any of
the current crop of politicians, and not at all well disposed towards
anything that looks to weaken the rule of law, the Constitution or our
civil liberties. All that being said, the brouhaha over FISA and the
accusations of cowardice, lack of principles and political opportunism
has started sounding a whole lot more like heat than the light of
reason. A recent claim claim by Lawrence Lessig, a Civil Libertarian
with a background in law made me stop and think.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote id=&quot;t.461&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt; [Obama&amp;#39;s] vote for the FISA compromise is thus not a vote for immunity. It is a vote that reflects the judgment that &lt;strong id=&quot;t.462&quot;&gt;securing the amendments to FISA was more important than denying immunity to telcos&lt;/strong&gt;.
Whether you agree with that judgment or not, we should at least
recognize (hysteria notwithstanding) what kind of judgment it was. The
amendments to FISA were good. Getting a regime that requires the
executive to obey the law is important. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; People on the
left, people like Glenn Greenwald, Jonathan Turley, Russ Feingold and
Chris Dodd keep painting the recent FISA as a false compromise, a
capitulation to Bush, and a blot on the fourth amendment. So why do
Lessig and former Constitutional Law lecturer Obama say that it is
important? Who is right?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well either you can pick your authority
figure and believe them—you pays your money and you takes your
chances—or roll up your sleeves, wade into the bill and make your own
decision. I never was the &amp;quot;argument from authority&amp;quot; type. So why should
I pick one camp or the other?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;ve been working on this posting
for more than a week, and I think I have a handle on a line of
reasoning that shows that the FISA amendment makes sense and may very
well be a &amp;quot;Good Thing™&amp;quot;. I don&amp;#39;t find the argument compelling, but I
think that it really deserves to be fully explicated, discussed and
weighed, and as of yet, I think that I can respect and understand
anyone who feels either that it outweighs the argument that FISA as a
whole or as amended is so damaging to civil liberties and the rule of
law that it outweighs the benefit or the other way around. I would
really like to hear people who are passionate on both sides after they
understand this reasoning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2 id=&quot;t.468&quot;&gt;Assumptions&lt;/h2&gt; There are
a number of assumptions regarding the level of protection that should
be afforded communications depending upon the people and jurisdictions
involved. In terms of the three major combinations, the following
breakdown seems to by the default assumption:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;ol id=&quot;mtwb&quot;&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;t.4610&quot;&gt; Spying on foreign/foreign communications is OK. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;t.4611&quot;&gt; Intercepting US/US communications requires a warrant or constitutional equivalent. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;t.4612&quot;&gt; Intercepting US/foreign communications is the purview of the FISA court and law&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;r1ag&quot;&gt;The location where the spying is done is not as important as who is communicating.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt; In the next couple of subsections, I will lay out each of these, at least briefly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3 id=&quot;zh-d&quot;&gt;1. Spying is OK&lt;/h3&gt;
Some would argue that &amp;quot;spying is important&amp;quot; or even &amp;quot;spying is necessary&amp;quot;. For the purposes of this analysis, all we need to assume is that it is legitimate for the foreign intelligence services to spy on foreigners when that is in keeping with their mission, our relationship to the foreign nations involved, so
long as they do so in accordance with their regulations and charter.
Such spying is conducted beyond the jurisdiction of the United States
and beyond the guarantees of our constitution. Thus &amp;quot;foreign/foreign&amp;quot;
communication, by which I mean communications between two people,
neither of whom is a &amp;quot;US person&amp;quot;, should not be controlled by US
warrants or restricted by Constitutional rights. International laws may
apply.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is certainly possible to disbelieve in spying, but we
have done foreign spying for a very long time and the foreign
intelligence services have always been unencumbered by the US courts
and Constitution, so long as they were operating outside the US and the
subjects were foreigners.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3 id=&quot;usw2&quot;&gt;2. US/US requires a warrant&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;
On the other hand, spying on Americans in America requires a court order. In essence, whenever the US Constitution is the ruling law, Warrants are required, otherwise it is &amp;quot;unreasonable search and seizure&amp;quot;. The simplest version of this is communications between two US citizens, in the US, but resident aliens in the US are by&amp;#160; precedent also protected by the Constitution. The term &amp;quot;US persons&amp;quot; is used in many laws as a shorthand for US citizens, US resident aliens and US corporations, since corporations are generally treated as &amp;quot;persons&amp;quot; in US law at present. For the purposes of FISA, &amp;quot;US person&amp;quot; is defined as follows:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“United States person” means a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence (as defined in section 1101 (a)(20) of title 8), an unincorporated association a substantial number of members of which are citizens of the United States or aliens lawfully admitted for permanent residence, or a corporation which is incorporated in the United States, but does not include a corporation or an association which is a foreign power, as defined in subsection (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this section.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;The requirement for warrants is a fundamental right in America, and the Constitution specifically limits the power of the government within its jurisdiction. There are certain questions about where the Constitution holds sway, but it at the very least applies within the sovereign jurisdiction of the United States and in all dealings between the US government and US citizens regardless of location.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3 id=&quot;p_1u&quot;&gt;3. FISA controls US/foreign surveillance&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;
One may think, either as a civil libertarian or as a proponent of a
strong federal executive that FISA in principle is bad law, but since
1978 in order to balance the government&amp;#39;s legitimate foreign
intelligence interests with the need for judicial oversight, FISA has
been the law. It&amp;#39;s basic charter is to control spying that occurs
between US persons and foreign powers or agents. The simple Wikipedia
summary of FISA is pretty much in keeping with my understanding and
reads as follows:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote id=&quot;on5t&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;The act was created to
provide Judicial and congressional oversight of the government&amp;#39;s covert
surveillance activities of foreign entities and individuals in the
United States, while maintaining the secrecy needed to protect national
security. It allowed warrantless surveillance within the United States
for up to one year unless the &amp;quot;surveillance will acquire the contents
of any communication to which a United States person is a party&amp;quot;. If a
United States person is involved, judicial authorization was required
within 72 hours &lt;em id=&quot;on5t0&quot;&gt;after&lt;/em&gt; surveillance begins.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
In short, if no US person is involved, even if the surveillance occurs
within the US, assumption #1 applies, if a foreign agent power and US
person are both involved, a FISA order is required. If not foreign
agents or powers are involved, assumption #2 rules. FISA arose because
the line between all-foreign and all-US can be blurry. FISA adds
assumption #3 as the middle ground.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3 id=&quot;tnfa&quot;&gt;4. Location is now unimportant&lt;/h3&gt;
When the mindset behind FISA was formed, location was pretty much
static. If you were spying on two foreigners who were outside the US,
you pretty much could be assumed to be outside the US. If you were
listening to the conversation between two Americans who were inside the
US, then you were probably there, too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Today, this is less true.
Main communications lines are often centered in the US and
communications between foreign locations can often be picked up in the
US. Similarly, Internal US communications may very well travel outside
the US &lt;em id=&quot;q41o&quot;&gt;en route&lt;/em&gt;. It is generally assumed that this shouldn&amp;#39;t change the situation &lt;em id=&quot;n0bi&quot;&gt;vis a vis&lt;/em&gt;
rights and Constitutional protections. The US government shouldn&amp;#39;t be
able to spy on Americans who are in America just because the act of
spying occurs outside the US. Likewise, if traffic between known
terrorists in Pakistan and agents in Spain happens to flow through the
United States, the CIA should be as free to spy on it would have been
if the bits/electrons had never crossed over our borders.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This
is at the heart of the &amp;quot;FISA must be modernized to keep up with
technology&amp;quot; argument that you often hear. And generally, I think that
it is correct. The rights and protections should be determined
primarily by who the actors are and who the subjects are, and
secondarily where the subjects are located. Anything done in the US or
to Americans must take the Constitution into account. From an ethical
perspective we might like to say that, just for instance, all people
are created equal and are naturally endowed with certain unalienable
rights, and so the US Constitution should protect the rights of all of humanity everywhere.
There are,however, myriad practical and political problems with that
view.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2 id=&quot;mm_b&quot;&gt;What is &amp;quot;private&amp;quot;?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/h2&gt; Beyond jurisdiction,
the other thing that determines the legality of information gathering
is the question of privacy. Gathering public information is merely
being well informed. Gathering private information is spying, or at
least searching. And so the notion of an &amp;quot;expectation of privacy&amp;quot;
enters the picture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div id=&quot;mkzi0&quot;&gt;Current law holds that while the content of electronic communications such as phone calls and emails is generally protected (where US Constitutional and other protections apply), the addressing of the messages are not. The court generally has held that the average citizen has less of an expectation of privacy regarding the numbers called than regarding what is said. The address and return address on a postal envelope along with the postmark information is even less protected.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the purely telephonic days, the devices that were used in this area were &amp;quot;pen registers&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;trap and trace devices&amp;quot;. Pen registers recorded the numbers that a phone dialed. Trap and trace devices could determine and record the numbers from which incoming calls originated. These concepts have been adapted to digital messaging and networking. Thus, capturing and recording the addresses that computer traffic flows through is less protected than examining and recording the content of the messages. &lt;img alt=&quot;Example postcard&quot; height=&quot;308&quot; id=&quot;t.4618&quot; src=&quot;http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3081/2662466668_5701e2dd14.jpg?v=0&quot; style=&quot;float: right; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 10px;&quot; width=&quot;407&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This
brings us to the illustration of the post card that accompanies this
article. Most Internet traffic isn&amp;#39;t encrypted, and the address and
data portion of a network packet are the same sort of things. In many
ways, it is as if mail was accomplished with postcards rather than
envelops. Imagine if you will, that the law applied to the information
on a postcard the way it does to the Internet or phone call. Without a
warrant, it is OK to capture and record the address and return address
and the postmark information, but not the text.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Further, let us
apply our assumptions above. If the sender and recipient are foreign
nationals, operating outside the US, then it is OK for the intelligence
services to read the whole postcard, but if either the sender or
recipient is a &amp;quot;United States-person&amp;quot;, then a warrant or other
authorization is required. One can envision a peculiar device that
covers the left half of the card or the handwriting on the left,
exposing the printed return address, scans the address and postmark and
determines the identity and location of the sender and recipient,
compares that with suitable records and makes the decision as to
whether the hidden portion can lawfully be photographed and recorded.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mr.
Kringle is a native of the North Pole, territory claimed by the
Russians. Records show that the postcard arrived on a plane from
Canada, but the postmark shows that before that it was mailed within
the US. Young Mr. Dough is a US-person, possibly a US citizen. Before
such phrases as &amp;quot;keeping a little list&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;fellow travelers&amp;quot; can be
used as evidence that Mr. Kringle is a &amp;quot;Red&amp;quot;, Mr Dough&amp;#39;s rights must be
accounted for.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My fanciful steam punk postcard scanner is
actually not all that fanciful. It is rather analogous to the sort of
software you would need to use in order to capture email. Email
messages are just streams of bytes organized into packets and messages
according to a whole hierarchy of standards and protocols, and the way
that the addresses are encoded is not particularly different from the
way that the message content is. In the outer couple of protocol
layers,IP addresses are encoded in binary, but the to and from fields
of an email message are encoded in exactly the same sort of human
readable text as the body of the message. The most simple minded search
programs that you could use to search an email stream could readily
scan unprotected addresses and protected contents with equal ease.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To
implement the intent of our laws, that foreign/foreign messages can be
scanned, searched and recorded by our intelligence services, without a
warrant or the involvement of the courts, but insure that US/US email
requires an ordinary warrant and US/foreign-agent email can be handled
in accordance with the FISA law, a moderately intelligent and carefully
crafted program needs to be used.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Basically such a device would
consist of a &amp;quot;pen register&amp;quot; to determine who the message addressed to
and a &amp;quot;trap and trace device&amp;quot; to determine where it came from. An
analyst or analytical engine of some sort then determines if at least
one &amp;quot;US person&amp;quot; is involved, and if any foreign agents are involved. If
both are &amp;quot;United States Persons&amp;quot;, then a list of applicable warrants
determines if the contents can be saved or analyzed. If no US person is
involved, then the message can be freely analyzed. If a mixture, then a
check for the FISA process must be made.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Any system for scanning the Internet trunk feeds that we have access must be very carefully controlled. The software wants to be carefully designed and implemented, and the people operating and maintaining it must be carefully vetted. The policies and procedures for authorizing and monitoring its use must be carefully written and and enforced with appropriate oversight.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Personally, if I were with the federal government, my approach would be to split the trunk and send the duplicate feed into a highly secured room, control who had access to that room, staff it only with people who had serious background checks, make sure there was a field manual and oversight. Given their charter, the combination of technology and surveillance would suggest that the NSA be the agency chartered to handle this. I&amp;#39;m thinking it would look a whole lot like the whistle-blower described. The question is can the feds be trusted? Given my&amp;#160; dedication to civil liberties and my view on the lawless behavior of the current administration,&amp;#160; I&amp;#39;d have to say, no, not in the current instant. But that doesn&amp;#39;t mean that no US Attorney General and no National Security Adviser can be trusted. It just means that we know that they can&amp;#39;t all be. We have illustrative examples.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now a bunch of Senators,
Representatives and the odd Presidential candidate probably have more
faith in the notion that the federal government can be structured and
run in a way that is trustworthy. In the end, most of us trust
ourselves and some fraction of folks like us. So, with that in mind,
how does the recently passed FISA amendment stand up?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2 id=&quot;xauf&quot;&gt;What &lt;em id=&quot;xauf0&quot;&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; the new FISA?&lt;/h2&gt;
While working on this posting I&amp;#39;ve read Title I of the recently passed
FISA amendment bill a couple of times and tried to chart out the
differences. While doing so, I came across someone who has done the
same thing and published his completed flow chart of the original and
amended FISA, skipping the short-live Protect America Act. Let&amp;#39;s have a
look at his analysis along with the actual text. The original article
can be found on Wes Walls&amp;#39; blog &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ketchupandcaviar.com/politics/understanding-recent-changes-to-fisa-a-visual-guide-flowchart/&quot; id=&quot;pavj&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;Ketchup and Caviar&quot;&gt;Ketchup and Caviar&lt;/a&gt;. Here are the two flowcharts:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ketchupandcaviar.com/wp-content/uploads/images/fisa1.gif&quot; id=&quot;kmri&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;img id=&quot;e2rd&quot; src=&quot;http://www.ketchupandcaviar.com/wp-content/uploads/images/fisa1.gif&quot; style=&quot;margin: 1em 1em 0pt 0pt; width: 45%; float: left;&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;div id=&quot;n0yq&quot; style=&quot;padding: 1em 0pt; text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ketchupandcaviar.com/wp-content/uploads/images/fisa2.gif&quot; id=&quot;i_6g&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;img id=&quot;i_6g0&quot; src=&quot;http://www.ketchupandcaviar.com/wp-content/uploads/images/fisa2.gif&quot; style=&quot;width: 50%;&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt; In his analysis, Wes says:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote id=&quot;thxo0&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;The
focus of change is the bolded red line marked “U.S. or non-U.S. Persons
Located Inside or Outside the U.S.” Currently a warrant is required in
this case. Notice the changes involving the bolded blue lines and text
in the [second] chart. What New FISA does is create a special case
involving our bold red line in the first chart. It provides a way for
the executive branch to engage in warrantless (but “certified”)
wiretapping of wire and cable (including email and phone) of any
Foreign-to-U.S. communications collected inside the U.S. You’ll see the
new set of criteria for certification in this special case. It does add
new protections for U.S. Persons (citizens or greencard holders) by
requiring the typical FISA warrant in all cases in which they are
targeted.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; I would have worded the change differently.
What I would note is that the upper middle section of the flowchart
changes from being based on location (the one rounded corner box and
the three red lines) to a simpler pair of boxes based on whether any US
person is involved. As a result, there is now a relatively simple three
way decision regarding foreign surveillance. (Note that there is a
fourth case, the &amp;quot;normal&amp;quot; one: If no foreign agents are involved,
surveillance requires an ordinary warrant.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol id=&quot;sfi:0&quot;&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;sfi:1&quot;&gt;If any US person is involved or the communications is domestic, a FISA warrant is needed&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;sfi:2&quot;&gt;If
no US person is involved, the communications is email or over cables, a
special &amp;quot;Certification of Mass Acquisition&amp;quot; is available.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;sfi:3&quot;&gt;Otherwise, no warrant is needed when no US person is involved.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;
Paths 1 and 3 represent the simple cases. One no US persons are
involved and the communications is foreign, the foreign intelligence
services are unencumbered by US law (#1). Generally, if the foreign
intelligence services want to spy on Americans or in America, then a
FISA warrant is needed (#3). One exception for this is allowed. Spying
on electronic communications of non-US persons outside the US by means
of surveillance inside the US can be done under the new &amp;quot;Mass
Acquisition&amp;quot; process. Note that this is specifically the case where
communications that is fair game to our spies is embedded in a system
that is known to contain protected US communications that is not
targeted. (This is pretty much my case where the combination of a pen
register, trap and trace device and analytical engine can be used to
separate the two.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And that brings us to the blue box in the bottom right. Here&amp;#39;s what Wes has there:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol id=&quot;f97f&quot; style=&quot;color: rgb(7, 55, 99);&quot;&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;f97f0&quot;&gt;&lt;span id=&quot;f97f1&quot; style=&quot;background-color: rgb(207, 226, 243);&quot;&gt;Is the target reasonably believed to be located outside the United States?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;f97f2&quot;&gt;&lt;span id=&quot;f97f3&quot; style=&quot;background-color: rgb(207, 226, 243);&quot;&gt;Is the purpose of the targeting to acquire foreign intelligence information?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;f97f4&quot;&gt;&lt;span id=&quot;f97f5&quot; style=&quot;background-color: rgb(207, 226, 243);&quot;&gt;In
the particular case, will &amp;quot;minimization procedures&amp;quot; adequately balance
the privacy of US citizens against foreign intelligence needs?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;f97f6&quot;&gt;&lt;span id=&quot;f97f7&quot; style=&quot;background-color: rgb(207, 226, 243);&quot;&gt;Will there be a good-faith effort to avoid domestic targets and domestic communications? Will other limitations be observed? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt; I&amp;#39;ve removed the struck out text and the pointer to &lt;a href=&quot;http://balkin.blogspot.com/2008/06/guide-to-new-fisa-bill-part-ii.html&quot; id=&quot;jp4p&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;part II&quot;&gt;part II&lt;/a&gt; of &lt;span class=&quot;rss:item&quot; id=&quot;ra0s&quot;&gt;David Kris&amp;#39;s &lt;/span&gt;&amp;quot;A Guide to the New FISA Bill&amp;quot;. I will address these shortly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Questions #1 and #2 basically reiterate the decisions that got us through the flow chart to Mass Acquisition. The new act&amp;#39;s jurisdiction has gone from searches involving a &amp;quot;foreign power or agent thereof&amp;quot; to focusing on non-US persons outside the US (question #1). This is actually a good thing for the civil liberties of US persons, since as previously defined, a foreign agent could be a US person working for a foreign power. The question now is just &amp;quot;US person or non-US person&amp;quot;. Without the struck out text, question #2 is basically a restatement of part of the logic that got us to this section. It becomes &amp;quot;Is the purpose of targeting [foreign communications between non-US persons believed to be outside the US by capturing traffic within the US] to target foreign intelligence information?&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With Question #3 we get to the heart
of the issue, the &amp;quot;minimization procedures&amp;quot;. These are spelled out in
the bill in section 702 e, as follows (via &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-h6304/text&quot; id=&quot;nnfe&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;OpenCongress&quot;&gt;OpenCongress&lt;/a&gt;):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote id=&quot;n6ca&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt; (e) Minimization Procedures- &lt;ol id=&quot;sg2j&quot;&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;sg2j0&quot;&gt;REQUIREMENT
TO ADOPT- The Attorney General, in consultation with the Director of
National Intelligence, shall adopt minimization procedures that meet
the definition of minimization procedures under section 101(h) or
301(4), as appropriate, for acquisitions authorized under subsection
(a).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;sg2j1&quot;&gt; JUDICIAL REVIEW- The minimization procedures
adopted in accordance with paragraph (1) shall be subject to judicial
review pursuant to subsection (i). &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;  Section &amp;quot;301(4)&amp;quot;, mentioned in #1 refers to physical surveillance, so the relevant section is 101(h), as follows (via &lt;a href=&quot;http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.r.06304:&quot; id=&quot;um-i&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;Thomas&quot;&gt;Thomas&lt;/a&gt;):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote id=&quot;a88w&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;enumbell&quot; id=&quot;ugph3&quot;&gt;(h)&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;ptext-1&quot; id=&quot;ugph4&quot;&gt;“Minimization procedures”, with respect to electronic surveillance, means— &lt;/span&gt; &lt;ol id=&quot;f15w&quot;&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;f15w0&quot;&gt;&lt;a id=&quot;ugph6&quot; name=&quot;h_1&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;ptext-2&quot; id=&quot;ugph8&quot;&gt;specific
procedures, which shall be adopted by the Attorney General, that are
reasonably designed in light of the purpose and technique of the
particular surveillance, to minimize the acquisition and retention, and
prohibit the dissemination, of nonpublicly available information
concerning unconsenting United States persons consistent with the need
of the United States to obtain, produce, and disseminate foreign
intelligence information; &lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;f15w1&quot;&gt;&lt;a id=&quot;ugph10&quot; name=&quot;h_2&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;ptext-2&quot; id=&quot;ugph12&quot;&gt;procedures
that require that nonpublicly available information, which is not
foreign intelligence information, as defined in subsection (e)(1) of
this section, shall not be disseminated in a manner that identifies any
United States person, without such person’s consent, unless such
person’s identity is necessary to understand foreign intelligence
information or assess its importance; &lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;f15w2&quot;&gt;&lt;a id=&quot;ugph14&quot; name=&quot;h_3&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;ptext-2&quot; id=&quot;ugph15&quot;&gt;notwithstanding
paragraphs (1) and (2), procedures that allow for the retention and
dissemination of information that is evidence of a crime which has
been, is being, or is about to be committed and that is to be retained
or disseminated for law enforcement purposes; and &lt;/span&gt;  &lt;a id=&quot;ugph16&quot; name=&quot;h_4&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;jukx&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;ptext-2&quot; id=&quot;jukx0&quot;&gt;notwithstanding paragraphs (1), (2), and (3), with respect to any electronic surveillance approved pursuant to section  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001802----000-.html&quot; id=&quot;ugph19&quot;&gt;1802&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001802----000-.html#a&quot; id=&quot;ugph20&quot;&gt;(a)&lt;/a&gt;
of this title, procedures that require that no contents of any
communication to which a United States person is a party shall be
disclosed, disseminated, or used for any purpose or retained for longer
than 72 hours unless a court order under section &lt;a href=&quot;http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001805----000-.html&quot; id=&quot;ugph21&quot;&gt;1805&lt;/a&gt;
of this title is obtained or unless the Attorney General determines
that the information indicates a threat of death or serious bodily harm
to any person. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; In essence, this is the
requirements document for the pen register, trap and trace device and
analytical engine device. Where as question #3 is &amp;quot;will the procedures
be adequate?&amp;quot;, question #4 is &amp;quot;will a good-faith effort be made to see
that they are applied?&amp;quot; Two changes in the law would seem to attempt to
speak to this question.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, throughout the document, things that used to be the purview of the Attorney General or &amp;quot;the Attorney General &lt;em id=&quot;l:18&quot;&gt;or&lt;/em&gt; the National Security Advisor&amp;quot; are now &amp;quot;the Attorney General &lt;em id=&quot;iyej&quot;&gt;and&lt;/em&gt;
the National Security Advisor&amp;quot; or at least &amp;quot;the Attorney General with
the advice of the National Security Advisor&amp;quot;. This doesn&amp;#39;t guarantee
the good intentions or competence of the two people, but it at least
requires the collusion of two Senate approved officials, and one can
see why the Senators might want that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Second, the bill
explicitly states in a number of places that the actions taken &amp;quot;shall
be conducted in a manner consistent with the fourth amendment to the
Constitution of the United States.&amp;quot; This may seem frivolous. After all,
all US laws must be consistent with the Constitution, and no federal
action may legitimately violate Constitutionally protected rights.
However, the inclusion of this specific proviso in the FISA law means
that violations of the 4th amendment in carrying out these procedures
is not only a violation of Constitutionally protected rights, with all
that entails, but a federal crime under this statute as well. This
provides an additional means of prosecution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It remains to be
seen whether these changes will have the beneficial effects that the
Senators and others who support it hope, but I begin to see why they
might think that this is an important improvement to the FISA laws. It&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul id=&quot;bhez&quot;&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;bhez0&quot;&gt;brings all foreign surveillance under this law&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;bhez1&quot;&gt;aligns the law with the jurisdiction and protections of the Constitution&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;bhez2&quot;&gt;requires explicit procedures be defined for winnowing protected US communications from unprotected foreign communications&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;bhez3&quot;&gt;makes the AG and NSA jointly responsible&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;bhez4&quot;&gt;requires review&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;bhez5&quot;&gt;makes explicit the criminal nature of stepping outside this law or the Constitution&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;bhez6&quot;&gt;increases senate oversight&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;bhez7&quot;&gt;makes explicit the grounds for criminal proceedings&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;
While it may be argued that this law can be abused, that the government
can use it as cover for domestic surveillance, the law explicitly
addresses that. The law makes it a crime to target any of the following
(from section 702(b)):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote id=&quot;p2d:&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt; (b) Limitations- An acquisition authorized under subsection (a)-- &lt;ol id=&quot;p2d:0&quot;&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;p2d:1&quot;&gt;may not intentionally target any person known at the time of acquisition to be located in the United States; 	 &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;p2d:2&quot;&gt;&lt;em id=&quot;p2d:3&quot;&gt;may
not intentionally target a person reasonably believed to be located
outside the United States if the purpose of such acquisition is to
target a particular, known person reasonably believed to be in the
United States;&lt;/em&gt; 	 &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;p2d:4&quot;&gt;may not intentionally target a United States person reasonably believed to be located outside the United States; 	 &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;p2d:5&quot;&gt;may
not intentionally acquire any communication as to which the sender and
all intended recipients are known at the time of the acquisition to be
located in the United States; and &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li id=&quot;p2d:6&quot;&gt;shall be conducted in a manner consistent with the fourth amendment to the Constitution of the United States. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;  Making it a crime doesn&amp;#39;t stop it, but it does give us a handle for dealing with it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the end, given the need to balance the Constitutional protections of US persons and anyone in the US with the need to allow the foreign intelligence services to spy on foreigners overseas, and the facts of the mingling of foreign and domestic traffic and that email is more like postcards than letters in envelopes, I am left wondering&amp;#160; what alternative there is other than a law something like this one.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;     &lt;p style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt;

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            <author>nobody@vox.com(Snowy)</author>
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            <description>    &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small; color: #000000; font-family: verdana,geneva,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;Why
is this man in the White House? The majority of Americans did not vote
for him. Why is he there? And I tell you this morning that he&amp;#39;s in the
White House because God put him there for a time such as this&amp;quot;:&lt;strong&gt; Lt Gen William Boykin&lt;/strong&gt;, speaking of G. W. Bush, New York Times, 17 October 2003&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small; color: #000000; font-family: verdana,geneva,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;&quot;&gt;=&lt;br /&gt;&amp;quot;God
gave the savior to the German people. We have faith, deep and
unshakeable faith, that he was sent to us by God to save Germany.&amp;quot;&lt;strong&gt; Hermann Goering, speaking of Hitler&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion.
Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom
they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less
easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side&amp;quot;: &lt;strong&gt;Aristotle&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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